BBO Discussion Forums: Vugraph Hand - BBO Discussion Forums

Jump to content

Page 1 of 1
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

Vugraph Hand a.k.a Junior Debate

#1 User is offline   mtvesuvius 

  • Vesuvius the Violent Volcano
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 3,216
  • Joined: 2008-December-04
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Tampa-Area, Florida
  • Interests:SLEEPING

Posted 2009-February-24, 10:33

All white on Vugraph at IMPs you hold:

♠ T9xx
♥ QJ9x
♦ 9
♣ KQ9x

RHO opens 1♦ showing 4+♦, your bid?

Sorry if this is a wtp.
Yay for the "Ignored Users" feature!
0

#2 User is offline   kfay 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 2,208
  • Joined: 2007-July-01
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Michigan
  • Interests:Science, Sports

Posted 2009-February-24, 10:36

Pass Pass Pass Pass Pass

A WC bridge player made fun of me not two days ago for 'psyching' a double with 10 HCP. "Well, semi-psyche," he said.

Anyway, even that one was marginal for me. I'm not completely insane. When I double here partner ends up sawing them off somewhere for -470 or something.
Kevin Fay
0

#3 User is offline   Apollo81 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 3,162
  • Joined: 2006-July-10
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Maryland

Posted 2009-February-24, 10:39

Takeout doubles show opening values, assuming the shortness in their suit is pulling its full weight. Thus the minimum HCP for such a double is 10 if (4441) -- counting the shortness as 3 points or so.

Thus this hand isn't appropriate for a double because it's too weak.
0

#4 User is offline   jdonn 

  • - - T98765432 AQT8
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 15,085
  • Joined: 2005-June-23
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Las Vegas, NV

Posted 2009-February-24, 10:40

WTP PASS. A junior who debates against that just has to mature for a while longer.
Please let me know about any questions or interest or bug reports about GIB.
0

#5 User is offline   Cascade 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Yellows
  • Posts: 6,772
  • Joined: 2003-July-22
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:New Zealand
  • Interests:Juggling, Unicycling

Posted 2009-February-24, 10:59

Many years ago I once (semi-)psyched a takeout double like this when partner eventually doubled them when they got to game and they made overtricks I was cured for life.
Wayne Burrows

I believe that the USA currently hold only the World Championship For People Who Still Bid Like Your Auntie Gladys - dburn
dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
Bidding is an estimation of probabilities SJ Simon

#6 User is offline   mtvesuvius 

  • Vesuvius the Violent Volcano
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 3,216
  • Joined: 2008-December-04
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Tampa-Area, Florida
  • Interests:SLEEPING

Posted 2009-February-24, 11:07

OK Good, nobody even came close to doubling... The junior player on Vugraph doubled and later told me this was an "Auto-double". LOL
Yay for the "Ignored Users" feature!
0

#7 User is offline   manudude03 

  • - - A AKQJT9876543
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 2,625
  • Joined: 2007-October-02
  • Gender:Male

Posted 2009-February-24, 11:59

I think I remember this hand. Partner doubles, my RHO bids 1♠ and I have to figure out how to show a balanced 17 count. Ended in 5H going 3 off (though a little unlucky to go that far off) after checking for key cards.

He asked about afterwards and apparently only got 1 person to agree.
Wayne Somerville
0

#8 User is offline   peachy 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 2,056
  • Joined: 2007-November-19
  • Location:Pacific Time

Posted 2009-February-24, 12:50

manudude03, on Feb 24 2009, 12:59 PM, said:

I think I remember this hand. Partner doubles, my RHO bids 1♠ and I have to figure out how to show a balanced 17 count. Ended in 5H going 3 off (though a little unlucky to go that far off) after checking for key cards.

He asked about afterwards and apparently only got 1 person to agree.

I'd like to avoid than one person (who agreed with the TO Dbl) as partner B)
0

#9 User is offline   H_KARLUK 

  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Full Members
  • Posts: 973
  • Joined: 2006-March-17
  • Gender:Male

Posted 2009-February-24, 12:57

mtvesuvius, on Feb 24 2009, 06:33 PM, said:

All white on Vugraph at IMPs you hold:

♠   T9xx
♥   QJ9x
♦   9
♣   KQ9x

RHO opens 1♦ showing 4+♦, your bid?

Sorry if this is a wtp.

Pass

Mountvesuvius you are still one of my friends that I respect :) So I assume you won't get it offense ♥

wtp =
a   Wireless transaction protocol ?
b    as an economic term Willingness to pay ?
c    Massachusetts Institute of Technology; Women's Technology Program / they say their goal to spark high school girls' interest in the future study of engineering and computer science. (stick together team, go go go)

What you meant please ?
ps. Nice signature of you B)
We all know that light travels faster than sound. That's why certain people appear bright until you hear them speak. Quoted by Albert Einstein.
0

#10 User is offline   mtvesuvius 

  • Vesuvius the Violent Volcano
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 3,216
  • Joined: 2008-December-04
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Tampa-Area, Florida
  • Interests:SLEEPING

Posted 2009-February-24, 13:04

I take no offense whatsoever, Hamdi :), but the person who made the T/O double wanted me to post this. I will show him the responses and hopefully his disease will be cured B)

I agreed that it was a Pass wtp, but he thought otherwise... So I posted it.
Yay for the "Ignored Users" feature!
0

#11 User is offline   P_Marlowe 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 10,797
  • Joined: 2005-March-18
  • Gender:Male

Posted 2009-February-24, 13:13

Hi,

Pass.

If I would face a passed partner, I would make a t/o, but than
this is our agreement, and certainly a nonstandard one.
The heart suit is also too weak to bid, so what is left?

With kind regards
Marlowe
With kind regards
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
0

#12 User is offline   jdonn 

  • - - T98765432 AQT8
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 15,085
  • Joined: 2005-June-23
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Las Vegas, NV

Posted 2009-February-24, 13:18

Cascade, on Feb 24 2009, 11:59 AM, said:

Many years ago I once (semi-)psyched a takeout double like this when partner eventually doubled them when they got to game and they made overtricks I was cured for life.

I tried it more than once with extremely similar experiences. It was almost completely predictable that partner would double them in a making contract or bid 3NT and go down. The 'victories' were partner bidding a suit and the opponents outbidding us so we break even.
Please let me know about any questions or interest or bug reports about GIB.
0

#13 User is offline   Fluffy 

  • World International Master without a clue
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 17,404
  • Joined: 2003-November-13
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:madrid

Posted 2009-February-24, 18:03

I failed to make an overtrick against a slam becuase my opponent had doubled with a similar trash, and I finesed him instead of the other way :S.
BridgeGod: my personal website with interactive problems and articles
0

#14 User is offline   Cascade 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Yellows
  • Posts: 6,772
  • Joined: 2003-July-22
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:New Zealand
  • Interests:Juggling, Unicycling

Posted 2009-February-24, 19:39

Fluffy, on Feb 25 2009, 01:03 PM, said:

I failed to make an overtrick against a slam becuase my opponent had doubled with a similar trash, and I finesed him instead of the other way :S.

Yes I have had this happen too.

We bid to 6♥ or something and I played for some obscure squeeze when an ordinary finesse would have worked against the doubler's partner.
Wayne Burrows

I believe that the USA currently hold only the World Championship For People Who Still Bid Like Your Auntie Gladys - dburn
dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
Bidding is an estimation of probabilities SJ Simon
Page 1 of 1
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

1 User(s) are reading this topic
0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users